I think the point about musicianship and/or the opposition between wanting jams, wanting great songs well executed and having a mix is not neccesarily where I was coming from. When I used to do tour, I wanted different things than what I want when I'm listening to shows - most importantly, variety. I remember missing out on how great shows were while I was on tour as there was a lot of styllistic repetition (one reason I retain the view that 97 is overrated, in spite having happily seen more than 3/4 of he North American shows that year)....

For example - I loved the Fleezer (Finger Lakes 95 Tweezer) and the Worcester 97 Runaway Jim as they were long jams that did interesting experimental things. Same with the Lemonwheel ambient jam and the storage jam. But I found in 2.0- - with the exception of some of the "new" songs like Waves or 46 Days, the jamming was perfunctory. I think those who complain about the lack of 30 minute jams should consider that two 10 minute songs segueing is as hot, or hotter than one 20 minute jam, as the styes change up, and as in Waves-)Undermind, the segue is the best part (akin to the 'return' in Its Ice and Bowie.)

I think they still need to retire a whole wack of songs and stop depending on breakouts...YEM, Hood and Mike's are getting stale.